EP10: No More "What Ifs" - Will Peck
Who was the first person you sort of told that you were gonna do it?
I was really nervous about telling people.
Why?
Because there was not one person I told who was like, "You're an idiot."
No.
Um, it took me a while to tell my mom and dad.
Yeah.
Because I didn't... Not because I was hiding it or anything, I just thought, like, it's just, I wonder what they're gonna say.
Um-
The self-doubt sort of started building in, yeah.
The point where I had the most self-doubt was, was day one when I was just about to start.
Has it been difficult finding your next purpose after the run? Was there like sort of a dip?
My, my, my nan passed away from Alzheimer's, like, in 2019. It's not only the person that has it that's affected, but it's their, their family as well.
It's like the person is already dead sort of thing. They're not there. Has your definition of success changed?
My, my definition of success is-
Will Peck, welcome to Episodes of Life.
Thanks for having me, mate. I appreciate
it. No, I appreciate you coming on.
That's all right.
We'll have a talk about sort of the dementia charity you raised money for- Yeah ... running across Korea.
Yep.
And sort of the challenges and everything that come with it.
Yeah, yeah.
Definitely.
How did that come about and...?
Mate, I just, um... Do you, have you heard of Ned Brockman?
No.
Um, or like Hardest Geezer at all? Hardest...
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah. He ran across Africa.
Yeah.
Yeah. Um, Ned Brockman's a guy, he, he ran like across Australia.
Oh,
okay. Um, and got like pretty well known like in Australia for it, and I saw those guys and I just thought, um, I've always been like into my fitness and running and stuff, but I saw those guys and I thought, like, they're just normal- Mm-hmm
normal guys sort of in their 20s or whatever, and, and they were able to do something like pretty extraordinary. Um, they raised money for, for their own charities as, as well, but the actual challenge itself was like pretty immense, right? And I thought, they're just normal guys. I'm just a normal person as well.
Why can't I do it?
Yeah.
So then sort of start of last year, I started thinking about it, thinking about different things I could do, um, running across different countries or running in like multiple countries or whatever, and kind of had all these different ideas like in my head. Um, and then I thought one day just like- Right
I'll just actually do it, because it was about a six-month period where I was just thinking about things to do.
Mm.
Um, so I just thought, "Let's just have a crack." Like, why not? Like, I could sit here for the rest of my life thinking about it and wondering if I'm gonna do something- Mm ... or actually do it. And so I just started thinking about different countries that I had, that I could run across, um, in a three-week period, 'cause that's the time I sort of had off of over work over Christmas, and came across South Korea.
Um, it's-
Well, I- Yeah ... I love the mindset though. Just like, "I've got six months. Got nothing. Why not? Just fuck it."
Yeah, just-
Yeah ...
like, why not?
I,
yeah. Like, we're, we're just, I say it all the time, like, we're just, we're on a floating rock- Yeah ... in space, mate. Like- Oh, yeah ... just have a go.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
No, I
agree with you. I
like that. Um, so yeah, South Korea is somewhere I've always, I've always wanted to go, and it's roughly sort of 700 kilometers in length, so I thought I could do that in three weeks, as any normal person could. Mm. And, um, then- And it's also, it's a pr- it's a pretty safe country as well.
Mm-hmm. Like, so I just thought, you know, if it's safe, I can-- It's a good enough length to be able to do it, um, why not just do it? And then, yeah.
Damn it.
Yeah.
When, when did you do it?
It was end of last year. Yeah. So I finished on the 31st of December.
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Um, at the southernmost point of the country.
So-
Was that over Christmas and stuff?
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. So yeah, I started like mid, mid-December. I trained for like three months up un- up until that point, and, um, the, the challenge itself was, it took 18 days. So I think I started on the, what would that be? The 13th of December, finished on the 31st.
So I started at the northernmost point of South Korea, which is right on the border of, of North Korea.
Mm-hmm.
Um, which if, if you know anything about
North Korea- Yeah. ... you know it's- We probably won't go into that.
Yeah, yeah.
It was a sticky one, that.
Yeah. It's, yeah, that was a, that was a cool place, like-
Mm
seeing the border and being so close to North Korea. Um, and then yeah, finished at the southernmost point of the country.
How long did you, like, train for and prepare for?
About three months. So I started off doing about 70, 80 kilometers a week in, in training. Um, and then built that up to, I think I finished, I think by the end of it I was doing 120, 140 Ks a week, roughly-
Yeah
um, to finish with. And in ways the, the actual training was probably harder than the running because I was doing Like, I was getting up at, like, 4:00 AM, 20 kilometers in the morning, go to work, come home, do another 15, 20 kilometers running, go to bed. Yeah. And it was like that, like, every day.
Rinse, repeat.
Yeah. Um, whereas when I was there, I could kinda just focus on the running, so-
Yeah ...
yeah.
Did you have a team, like, whilst you were doing it?
Yeah, yeah. So the first week I was on my own 'cause I just couldn't get anyone to come out for that, that week. Um, so I just carried my, my bag with just all my stuff in it.
So I was running with that, and it was, like, five or six kilos worth of stuff, a few change of clothes, and would just try and wash it if and when I could.
Where did you stay?
Uh, hotels. Oh,
yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Um, and then after the week, the first week, my sister and my friend who's a physio that I know through football, Anan.
Do you know
Anan?
Yeah. Yeah. Um, he- they both came out for, like, the last two weeks, and, like, fair play, like, giving up their Christmas and, and New Year's- Yeah ... for, for me- And supporting ... in another country was really, really... So lucky, bro.
Yeah, yeah.
Like, I, I, like, genuinely could not have done it without them.
No.
But- Who was the first person you sorta told that you were gonna do it?
Probably my girlfriend at the time.
Yeah.
Um, told her, who was super supportive, and then just some, like, some of my best, best friends. Um, it took me a while to tell my mom and dad.
Yeah.
Because I didn't... Not bec- 'cause I was hiding it or anything.
I just thought, like, it's just, I wonder what they're gonna say. Um, but they were super supportive as well. Um, but yeah, my, my friends and were... And I was, I was really nervous about telling people.
Why?
Because- It's, it's, it's so different
Mm
It's a bit weird, right?
I'd like to imagine, like not a lot of people wake up one day and think, "I'm gonna run the length of Korea."
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Well, for me it was like months and months of it going- In your head ... round in my own head.
Mm.
So to me it was kind of just normal. But then when I'd like voice that to someone else, hearing it fresh for the first time, they're like, "What the fuck are you doing?" Like, "It's fucking weird." But when I told people, they were like, "Mate, that is sick."
Yeah, I bet. Like I- there was not one person I told who was like, "You're a fucking idiot."
No.
They might have thought it.
But yeah.
Yeah. So really like, like the support was just insane that, that I got from it. Yeah.
What was like the sort of preparing like flights, hotels, all that sort of stuff? I bet that was-
I'm um, I'm quite like la- like laid back when it comes to planning.
Yeah. I hate planning stuff, so I kinda left it a bit late. But with the, obviously with the training, like I did- I took that really seriously because I thought, "I can't, I can't fuck this off." Like I didn't drink, I ate really well. I like trained like I didn't miss a day of, of training, um, because I thought, "If I can make this as hard as I possibly can now-
Yeah
it'll make it easier when I'm there." But then when it comes to like booking, I booked all the hotels before the trip. Um, and I, I must have done that probably a week before I went because I just, I was just putting it off. But I did it and then I, I booked it before instead of doing it while I was there, so I had to make that checkpoint every day.
Mm, yeah. What was the most like you ran in a day?
54 kilometers, 55.
That's mad, innit?
Yeah. That was, um, I think days sort of four to seven, I ran through a mountain range.
Yeah.
So- Sweet ... so I was staying in like ski resorts, um, and the elevation one day was about 1,000 meters, and that was about 12 hours of running in the snow-
like zero degrees, and my knees and my ankles were just completely-
That was like the self-doubt- ... cooked ... sort of started building in, you reckon?
Yeah. I, I think-- Do you know, by that point, I think I just had no choice.
No.
I didn't even have time to, to think like that. I think the, the, the point where I had the most self-doubt was, was day one when I was just about to start.
Yeah.
So like I'd traveled all- or I'd almost got to the, the border of North Korea, and I was on a bus like to go as far north as possible, as far north as the, the bus would drive, and I was sat there thinking like, "What the fuck am I doing here?" Like middle of nowhere. I'm the only foreign person in, in for miles and miles like, and that, that's some proper self-d- like- Yeah
proper head noise there. Um, but when I started running, I was sweet.
All went.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah. So.
What was like the- ... was the sort of mental preparation harder than the physical, you reckon?
Uh, yeah.
Yeah.
I think so.
Getting
mentally
prepared. And
I think I, I wanted to concentrate on that during the training because like- Like I said, if I, I thought to myself, if I, if I can make the training as hard as I possibly can, then it, when I come to actually doing it, I'm in the trenches.
Like, I'm in the middle of a mountain in the snow, I'm injured, you know, I'm lost maybe. It's still easier than the training.
Yeah.
Because mentally for me, like some days I was getting up at like 2:33 in the morning to run 20, 25 kilometers and then go to work and s- you know, smash a day at work- Yeah ... and then come back and, and go do another 15, 20 kilometers, which is like
quite... That wa- I f- that was hard. That was really hard. Mm. Um, so it made it easier when I was-
I suppose that's like the sacrifice you were making, like the training leading up to the-
Mm ...
big run. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Oh, definitely. And it was worth it.
Yeah,
100%. Like, and I just thought it, it was, it was an easy sacrifice to make because of I knew what I was gonna do and the, the payoff that I could get from that.
Mm.
So it was, it was easy. It was an easy choice.
How many kilos worth did you go
on? 724.
724?
Yeah.
What's that full out- Point eight ... saying that?
Nah, it's, nah, it's just a long way. It's a long way. What's that in
miles, do you know? I don't, haven't a clue.
Miles. Oh, four, four or 500 miles.
Yeah.
Yeah. So it's like from, if you imagine from roughly here to Sydney.
Yeah.
Yeah. It's a long way.
Yeah, yeah,
yeah. A long way. Um-
Have, have you ever thought about doing another sort of- Yeah ... endurance run?
Yeah, definitely. I'd love to, but I've been... Well, I, I've been sort of concentrating on football and work-
Yeah ...
since I got back. But I think once the football season's ended and I can...
'Cause that just takes up all my energy. I wanna do something after.
Anything in-
No, I dunno. Not, not, not yet. Not yet. Not yet. I've got something in mind, but- No ... just not yet. Yeah, yeah. Not yet.
What was the toughest day?
I'd say it was, I was on my way into the, I was like in the middle of the sort of mountains, and it was the first day where, like, I got some real bad injuries.
So it was like day five so pretty early on. Right. Um, and my, my knee on one leg went, and then my ankle on the other leg went. Um, my knee went because I was going downhill quite a lot, and the, the impact of that really affected it. Then my ankle went because of going uphill .
Ah.
And my Achilles went. Um, so going up and down through a mountain range-
Man, that-
with injuries, with a backpack on in the snow, that was a really long day, and ended up, like, not being able to find my hotel, like-
Oh, man ... '
cause it was dark. Like, phone's about to die. Maps is telling me that it, it's in a different place. Yeah, that, yeah, that was pretty tough.
What was, like, the worst injury that you got?
Probably the, probably my knee. Probably my ankle, actually. Oh
yeah. '
Cause I'm still, it's been, what, seven months later and I still-
100%. No.
Oh. No, I still have to warm, like, take extra time to, like, warm up before football matches and training and stuff 'cause I can feel that my both Achilles are still, like, pretty sore from it.
Both of them? Yeah.
Fucking hell.
Yeah, yeah. So-
Did you meet, like, some good people?
Yeah. Running. Oh, mate.
Mm.
Koreans are the best. Yeah. Yeah. Have you ever been over that way?
No, never. Mate- I've been, like, um, Asia, but never like- Yeah,
yeah. Yeah. Asian people in general are so nice. Yeah, yeah. Um, so friendly, and I think especially some of the places I was that weren't touristy-
Mm.
'Cause you've got Seoul, which is the capital.
Yeah.
And that's where generally all the tourists go, so they're kind of, they're used to seeing white people- Mm ... and, or foreigners- Yeah ... bas- essentially. And But when I was in the, in the sticks, like in the middle of nowhere, the people were so friendly. They were a bit kind of like- Mm
confused as to why I was there. Like a little bit like, "What you doing?" kind of thing, but not in a bad way. No,
yeah.
Um, and I met this one guy in, uh... They have like, uh, lots of convenience stores, which are... And I, I just stopped at one, and there's this, this guy in there who, he's named Sunil. Um, and he-- We, we just communicated through like Google Translate- Translate
'cause he didn't speak a word of English. No. That's
the thing. None of them do out there, do they?
No, no. No. Why would they?
No, yeah. You know? No need to.
Yeah. Um, and obviously no, no Korean- No ... whatsoever. And, and I went in and I was s- I kind of asked him if he had any like, like an ankle brace or something, um, 'cause obviously my ankle was pretty sore.
And he was like, "Oh, no." Um, he, he, he went from behind the counter and he, he went around the store like just collecting stuff. But like he didn't just walk around, like he ran. He was running around the store like collecting things to just help me. Yeah. 'Cause I told him what I was doing and what I was up to and stuff, and like he just wanted to just give me just ev- like whatever he could.
Um, and he gave me this bag full of things just to, just to help me on, on my way. And like- Oh,
lovely ...
yeah, I met a few people like that who just wanted to just give.
Help you. Yeah.
Yeah. So, so good.
Good food?
Yeah, real nice. Oh, yeah. Real good. It's lots of, um, kind of noodles and, and, and rice and things like that.
Um, but Korean barbecue as well.
Yeah.
Definitely recommend. Yeah. Very nice. Yeah.
What was your favorite moment?
Oh, it's gotta be finishing, I think. Yeah. Like finishing, um, the, the, the southernmost point of the country with my sister there and one of my best mates there was just so cool. So, so cool. And- It was a bit surreal 'cause I've put like 18 days and the extra three or four months of training as well, like put so much time into this and energy, and they have as well for, with supporting me.
It was just so cool to, to have them there and like, and just, just se- be there with, and celebrate with them.
Mm.
Like I can imagine if I was on my own, it just-
No ... it
just would not-
It'd be dead,
yeah. Yeah. It just wouldn't have been the same. But then that was
a good New Year's as well.
Yeah, really good night.
Yeah. Yeah, it was good, yeah. 'Cause we, we, we drove back up to Seoul, and then we went out in, in Seoul, which was just chaos. Yeah. Um, did a bit of karaoke in that, so
What, what'd you sing?
Oh, mate, I- Was it a couple of
go-tos?
I don't remember, mate. Mm. I don't remember. Not, no idea.
What would be like your f- would it be like your football initiation song, I suppose?
I, my football initiation. I... What did I do at Broadie? I think, um, the last one I did was, uh, "Pink Pony Club."
Oh, yeah.
Always. That's a, that's a good one. I would recommend that. Um, that's a crowd pleaser. There's I did, um, I think a while ago I did Peter Andre, um- "Mysterious Girl" ..."Mysterious Girl". Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
So, but no, mate, it was, yeah, it was a cool experience.
I love it. And, um, why the dementia charity, I suppose?
Yeah. My- Into that ... my, um... So I, I wanted to do the challenge, and I wanted to raise money for a charity, um, to, like, while I was, while I was there. Um, my, my, my nan passed away from Alzheimer's, like, in 2019.
Mm.
And it was like a seven-year battle for her. Um, not only her, but also the, her family that- Everyone involved, yeah ... like close to
them.
Yeah. It's, it's horrible.
It's horrible, mate. Yeah. Like- My, yeah, as I was saying to you before, my nan, been caring for 12 years, passed away a few months ago. It's just-
Yeah
yeah,
it is horrible. Like-
I think people don't... People hear about it-
Mm ...
but I don't think people really consider that it's not only the person that has it that's affected, but it's their, their family as well- Mm ... and the people, and their carers. Because these family members, they're not trained in, um, in caring for people, but they suddenly have to become a carer.
Like my grandad, who was in his 70s, looking after her, he'd wake up in the middle of the night to her, like, hitting him-
Mm ...
out of fear because she didn't know who, who he was. You know, they'd been married for 50 years. Yeah. And, you know, she would, like, physically harm him, not out of, not 'cause it's her fault.
No. It's not his fault. It's just because of her, her mind and, and it r- it really affects the, the people around as well as the people who- Mm ... who suffer with it. Um, so I thought that was, that was close to my heart. Yeah. Lovely. Um, ended up raising about $10,500.
That's really good.
Which was un- unreal. Yeah. I was aiming for five, and did that, so.
Smashed that.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So really, really grateful to everyone who, who got involved.
No.
Um, for sure. So yeah, that was why.
Oh, that's lovely, mate, that you've, uh, something that close to you.
Mm.
Like, so like you're saying, it's just horrible, like- Not the r- not recognising, like going to see my nan. You just...
It's like the person is already dead sort of thing. They're not there. And it's horrible to say like, like 'cause obviously living t- first, my nan's the first person to pass away since being in Australia- Mm ... so getting a phone call and finding out is, it's horrible. Like I said, with not being able to go back to the funeral and- Yeah
but when my mum first told me, I was kind of like a bit of a relief, do you know what I mean? It's just she'd been there for 12 years.
It's- Yeah ...
you got to went to see her before, like it's, it's... 'Cause I don't have a mum, like my mum and my uncle go every weekend there and have to-
Mm ...
see her, and I couldn't, I couldn't go and see her afterwards.
Did she have Alzheimer's or, or dementia or?
Yeah. It was Alzheimer's, and she had like bipolar.
Yeah.
And she was, yeah, bless her, she was... It was just horrible going to see her. Like, sometimes you go and be like, "Just wanna die," like.
Mm.
And she said, "I love you, Daniel, but I just wanna..." Yeah. Really? It, it was nice that she could like still recognize- Mm
think, but it was, yeah, it's this horrible disease and it's just- It's heavy that ... ah. Yeah. It's- Horrible ... yeah. And, but you are right in a
sense that it's probably, it's, I don't know, don't wanna say out, you know, out of their misery- No ... kind of thing, but like, you know, it's, they're not in pain anymore- Yeah ... I think.
Yeah.
Um, and it also gives, like, your mum-
Mm ...
respite-
Yeah ...
as well from, from caring for her and stuff like that, 'cause it just affect...
Yeah, it's horrible.
It is a horrible- It's horrible ... disease, innit? And then like, well, how did it sort of life change after the run?
I, I feel more Like, a more assured of myself and a bit more confidence- Mm ... in my own ability.
Yeah.
And that's kind of just in, in, in anything, and not in like an arrogant way, I don't think.
Not in like a, a cocky way, but I think that if I have an idea or there's something I wanna do or I ... My first instinct now is that I just can.
Yeah.
Which is- It's
a great mentality to have, isn't it? It's just-
Yeah. It's really powerful. Yeah. It's really cool because now I'm just like-
Yeah ...
if I think about running across another country or, I don't know, if I wanted to start a business or I don't know- Yeah
something, whatever, like I, I just feel like I could.
Yeah.
Um, whether I can or not, I don't know. But I think from just- I reckon you
could ...
from just having a go.
Yeah.
I think that's the, the main thing. And if like, uh, pro- probably one of the biggest things I could, I could take is that just have a go. Like, and just see what happens.
No, I agree with you. You know? This is it, innit, like? Yeah, and not having that, that regret of not doing it, I suppose, and-
Mm ...
pushing yourself to prove yourself you can do it and-
Yeah ...
this is it. Life is just short. It could all end just in an instant.
Yeah,
yeah. This is why not have a go, like you're saying.
And- Yeah ... you've probably ... Would you say, like, you feel mentally better? Like, would you, would you ... I wouldn't say like if you got mentally stronger, I suppose mentally more disciplined or- And more
resilient.
Yeah.
I'd say so. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Disciplined as, as well, for sure. Mm. Um, but I think that comes with having a plan and having something to aim for as well.
Yeah, I agree.
I need something to aim for if I'm gonna be disciplined. Um, but yeah, re- resilience for sure. You know, when you're 30 K's up a mountain and you've got another 20 to go, like, and you have no choice but to get there, and if you don't you'll freeze to death. Yeah. Like, you just have to do it-
Mm
which will naturally build up resilience. Um, but- Yeah, just having a go, mate. Like, even, like, with your podcast, mate- Yeah ... like, just, it's, you know- That's
the thing I was saying to my mates. I was talking about it, and I was like, "I've got nothing to lose." Like, what have I
got? Yeah.
Nothing.
The, the pain you feel from not having a go-
Oh, that's
the thing
and wondering would be so much worse than- Yeah.
And for me, I've already from accumulated from the past seven and a bit years, I've got so many regrets already, so many what-ifs.
Mm.
I've just got... I've done... I don't really want any more. I need to- Yeah ... do you know what I mean? I just- Yeah.
Bro, break the cycle,
man
fancy... Yeah. Just have a go and-
I couldn't
agree more ... nothing to lose.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
And how's it been since you started?
Oh, loving it, to be honest with you. Yeah? It's just buzzing.
Yeah?
Um, I also like pre- everyone just coming, having a chat with me. I just... I don't really know what I'm doing, like I said to you-
when I asked you about the tell, so I'll just make it up as I go along. Love
it. Yeah.
It's just got... Like you said, just give it a go.
But then 100 episodes in-
No ...
you'll be completely different.
No, I feel like I've just... With each episode, I think I'm getting... Well, you're always learning, isn't it? It's like you kind of, you push yourself out your comfort zone every time, doing something new- Yeah
talking to someone new. You're always learning. That's what I kind of love about it. You're learning about people, and you kind of... It's interesting, I think.
Oh, it's sick. That's really cool.
Yeah.
That's really cool.
What's- And like for your mental health as well, just to sit down and have a chat is probably one of the best things to do, I think.
Yeah. Just having a chat, mate- Yeah ... just getting that out.
There's like, like interesting about this, I s- I would never have thought to run across Career-do, you
know what I mean? So I just- Not many people do, mate. I j-
And, and like the dementia, it's just, yeah.
Yeah.
That's, that's good. But, oh, yeah.
What have you taken away?
From this?
So far. What are you, 10 episodes in? I think this
is my 11th. No. This is-
11th ...
seventh, like, interviewing.
Yeah.
Uh, but 11 all up. What's- I don't know. Just what was... I don't know. It's good. That's a very good question, actually. We're like- ... we've, the roles have reversed. Yeah. Just like the different peop- Oh, well, everyone is different.
Everyone thinks, you know, the way that people think differently, and I think it's interesting just like everyone's I've had on just saying like they couldn't live with regrets about not knowing. Um-
Mm ... I
think that's quite an interesting thing.
Yeah.
For me, like having that sort of negative mindset for the probably last seven, eight years, probably like, like hating myself, just, and like a lot of people, just don't know, like sort of the, the no regret thing, I think.
Just to- Mm ... have a go.
Yeah. Yeah.
And it's so true, isn't it?
Mm.
And like I think for me as well, it's not knowing And I said to you before, I've got so many regrets already. And yeah.
Yeah.
Just having a go really.
Brilliant, mate. That's so cool. Uh- And I, I think you'd be surprised with the amount of people that, that probably have that as well.
Yeah.
That have these ideas and have these cool things they wanna do. You could ask anyone, like, what, what is, what was your, what is your dream or something you wanna do or achieve, and the amount of people that, that have something-
Mm ...
that have just never done anything about it.
Never done it. That's the thing.
Like I've, we've wanna ... Last had, um, an Ian on, bloody name was, a comedian. Um, and he's cycling all around, all the way around Australia doing comedy shows.
Oh, yeah?
Um, and that's one of the things he said to me is like, "I couldn't... I'd rather be old and not have any regrets and sit back in m- in my chair when I'm 80 odd and think, what if I'd done this?
What if I'd done that?"
Yeah.
It's true, isn't it? I'd rather, like you said, just rather going back to it, but just have a go, mate. Yeah, yeah. It's just as simple as that.
100%.
Um, I know it's not as simple as that for, probably for some people, but it kind of is, I suppose,
isn't it? I think it is.
Yeah.
I think it is.
As long as, like, if you have the m- the, the means to, to do something, just- And I
can- ... have a go. For me as well, I can't... Probably looking back on it all, like, like Lydia passed away when she was 23. I think I'd... Like life is short, and I'd always... I couldn't... Hate, like, not sit... Like if I, I can't sit still and relax.
Do you know what I mean? My mind's always needs to feel like I need to do something-
Mm ...
and keep my mind active and if I didn't have a go, it could all be over tomorrow, as far as I... Mm. You know? It's just shortening it, life, just have a go. '
Cause of... Yeah. I guess it ended qu- quickly-
Yeah ...
in that sense, eh?
It's just like how, how, how, looking back at it all now, how it can just like that, it just click your fingers and your whole world just gets flipped upside down.
Yeah.
Um.
You dunno what's gonna happen tomorrow.
No.
That was, that was a part of the, the mentality I had as well.
Yeah.
I thought, like you said, about being on your deathbed thinking, "Oh, what if?"
Or, you know, touch wood with not- No ... could might not be around tomorrow. Yeah. You dunno what's gonna happen- No ... tomorrow. So like it's just so important to, to just do the things that you wanna do-
Mm ...
today.
Yeah.
And just, and just do it because, yeah, like you say, you, you regret not doing it more than-
100%
than having a go.
Yeah.
Um, but that's really cool, mate. I'm sure she'd be very proud.
I appreciate it. For that. I appreciate it.
Mm.
How's your definition of success changed?
Oh, mate. My, my definition of success is, is just doing the things that you said you, you're gonna do.
Mm.
Now that, you know, it doesn't have to be massive.
No. It could just be I'm gonna get up tomorrow early, uh, uh, early tomorrow and, and go for a run.
Mm.
And then- If you, you do it, you've succeeded in that, and that gives you, like, intrinsically a really good feeling
Small wins and build it, yeah.
Yeah. And I find if you just keep doing that, and like I, I go against my- that all the time.
Like I'm only human, like- Yeah ... sometimes I don't and-- But when I, when I don't, when I say I'm gonna do something and I don't, I feel really let down- Mm ... by myself. But what I learned, especially during the, the training with Korea, was I said I was gonna train every day, sometimes twice a day. I said I was gonna eat right.
I said I wasn't gonna drink, and I said I was gonna post a, a video or an Instagram post every day.
Yeah.
And I did that every single day, all of those things, for like three or four months, and each time I did each thing, even though it was only small in the grand scheme of things, I felt myself get more s- belief in myself and a sense that I could succeed even more, because I've said I'm gonna do something, I did it, now I, now I trust myself- Mm
more. 'Cause you know, for example, like if I said to you Let's go to gym tomorrow- Yeah ... 5:00 AM, and you show up at 5:00 AM and I don't, you're gonna lose trust in me.
Yeah.
Right? So knowing that, if you, when you organize some- a time like that with, with your friends, you're gonna go because you don't wanna let them down.
Mm.
But when it comes to yourself, people let themselves down- Yeah ... all the time. You know, you snooze the alarm.
Yeah.
But each time you snooze the alarm, or each time you don't do the thing you're gonna s- that you said you were gonna do, you might not feel it in the moment, but you- you- you're letting yourself, I feel, you're letting yourself down.
No, yeah, I agree. Yeah,
yeah. You know what I mean?
Yeah.
And then you lose confidence in yourself.
Yeah.
So just it sounds really simple, but- No ... just do the things you say you're gonna do.
So yeah, I agree with that. For me as well, like, talk about the podcast. Um, well, I told people I was, I moved to Australia-
Yeah
so I'd have to do it. Yeah. I've told a lot of people I was gonna do a podcast.
Yeah.
So I had to do it really. Yeah, yeah,
yeah.
Do you
know what I mean? I'm like- Bro, that's a good one, you know, like-
Yeah ...
yeah, because, yeah, 'cause you don't let, you're not letting them down, though. It-
Oh, uh, well, that, and you don't wanna look like a, like a bit of a, a egg on your face or like a dickhead- Yeah, yeah
for not doing it, I suppose. Exactly. Exactly. So I, yeah, I've told a lot of
people I was gonna do it, so I had to do it.
Mate, if I was sat here now having not run Career after telling-
Yeah ...
everyone I know about it, I'd feel like the biggest
dickhead- Oh, yeah,
I know ...
in the world. I know, like, I've told so many people about, "When are you gonna start a podcast?"
And be like, "Oh." Yeah.
Yeah. Do you know what
I... You've, you've said it now. Yeah. Like, we-
You maybe just speak it into existence as well, don't you? Yeah,
yeah. Like-
There
you go.
Yeah.
So I think, yeah, that, that's, that's a really good point, I think.
Has it been difficult finding your next purpose after the run? Was there, like, sort of a dip?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, definitely. I think- People where, when they like, when you do something like this, it might be like a marathon, it might be some- something, might not be fitness related, might be getting a big sale at work or something like that. Like you have this, this high, and I was on such a high after finishing.
Eventually you'll come back down to earth and I was like, "What the f- Yeah. Like, what the fuck am I gonna do? Um, and obviously went back to work and football and stuff, but there's kind of still that like lingering thing of like- Mm. ... when's the next thing where I want to go a step further. I wanna do something more to like, to, to get that feeling or just to, to have that, that purpose.
'Cause I kind of just went back to a general routine of just- Yeah ... your day-to-day stuff, which- Yeah ... I live-- I'm very lucky in the life I live. Like I've... But for a, for a while there was just no-
Mm ...
end goal.
Yeah.
So there's, yeah, definitely, definitely a bit of that. But I think you just gotta find something that you wanna work towards and like I say, just do it.
Mm-hmm.
You know?
I think that's what we've gathered from this podcast. You just, just do it.
Yeah. Sponsored by Nike. Yeah.
Well, maybe we might get done for a trademark now.
Nah. They'll be all right. They need it.
But I think that was a... No, I really enjoyed that, Will.
Yeah, me too, mate. Appreciate your company. I appreciate it, mate.
Thanks for that. Legend.
Appreciate